Eloquentia Perfecta

checklistKara Powell of Fuller Youth Institute recently commented on master marketer Seth Godin’s list about What’s High School For.   Both links are worth checking out… and both are looking at what we are / should be accomplishing with high schools. Seth says we should teach, among other things, the benefit of postponing short-term satisfaction in exchange for long-term success as well as “Project management. Self-management and the management of ideas, projects and people.”  Kara values how specific Seth’s list is and wonders how youth ministries would and could make a list like this.

Meanwhile, America magazine points out that Fordham University is attempting to place eloquentia perfecta as an organizing principle of a recent revision of its core curriculum.

Fancy term, but here’s how they are imparting a Jesuit education: Understand what constitutes the right use of reason; be able to express one’s thoughts into words; and then to communicate gracefully in such a manner that others are actually willing to listen to what you say. The end result of such training is that students “should be as articulate and good critical thinkers as we are capable of making them (with) a degree of moral and ethical sensitivities and, in the ideal sense, a degree of spiritual development.”

Catholic youth ministry has a list about discipleship, participation in the faith community, and personal and spiritual growth. Specific enough for Kara? Outcome oriented enough for Seth?

And, I gotta wonder if our list should say more about us as  Church than our aspiration for young people. (Actually, I thought even the Jessies felt a little short regarding that – – where is the Catholic identity values to be found in their elements?)  So, what’s on your short list about our mission with young people?  <image source>

D. Scott Miller

D. Scott Miller is the dean of Catholic Youth Ministry bloggers which is a polite way of either saying that he is just plain old or has been blogging for a long time (since 2004.)

Scott recently married the lovely Anne and together they have five adult young people and also grandparent three delightful kids (so, maybe he is just plain old!) Scott presently serves at Saint John the Evangelist in Columbia, MD as the director of youth and young adult ministry.

He has previously served on the parish, regional, diocesan, and national levels as well as having taught within a catholic high school. He is one of the founders of RebuildMyChurch and has returned to posting regularly (keeping regular is important to old guys) at ProjectYM.


D. Scott Miller


D. Scott Miller is the dean of Catholic Youth Ministry bloggers which is a polite way of either saying that he is just plain old or has been blogging for a long time (since 2004.)

Scott recently married the lovely Anne and together they have five adult young people and also grandparent three delightful kids (so, maybe he is just plain old!) Scott presently serves at Saint John the Evangelist in Columbia, MD as the director of youth and young adult ministry.

He has previously served on the parish, regional, diocesan, and national levels as well as having taught within a catholic high school. He is one of the founders of RebuildMyChurch and has returned to posting regularly (keeping regular is important to old guys) at ProjectYM.



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